Comments on: A New Theory in Physics Claims to Solve the Mystery of Consciousness https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/ Neuroscience News provides research news for neuroscience, neurology, psychology, AI, brain science, mental health, robotics and cognitive sciences. Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:42:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: jessica. https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-59464 Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:42:32 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-59464 In reply to Ray Marcelin.

Can someone tell me if I’m understanding relatively too, well, simply? Einsteins whole bit was about the fact that two experiences can coexist and be different and both be right, depending on where you’re standing or who’s shoes youre in? This might be like way too – broad.. if we’re all just balls of energy a rock made up mostly of water, the rest of it is something else and something else makes us harden into the shape of a person or whatever ( i think this is the part we cant quite explain? What’s the fight about??) .. when wax is warm it has the energy and freedom to be malleable but being solid is also a thing and also real. every religion seems to have the same utopia happily ever land before time green leafy place but it’s just light in my eyes.. happily ever after kind of image ..(and you have to do good things to get there and some made up rules that no longer apply but it’s too malleable and it was taken too literal when its just like- be nice and do good things and try not to be vain but also don’t be too selfless and find the balance. Walk the tight rope if you can*. and try to teach each other things without needing to be right all the time.. and dont kill people.. unless they do like terrible things to kids. Because nothing is absolute? Idk I dont get religion either, it just seems like the same thing to everyone but no one can agree. Which you can pretty much apply to any situation. And “heaven”.. is just the space filled with the energy of the light balls of the ones your light ball danced with and you get to reconnect and dance again and it teaches us. There’s something significant about the rays of light that break through the trees and something about rainbows and something about the way that we feel when we meet someone and feel like we’ve known them forever. Its all relative. Its all related to attachment. And its all valid… Which.. hahah i think i’m way over geralizing this.

Is heaven maybe just.. is just light and reconnecting with the harmonious vibrations of the energies. And its still all the things that the Bible says and the quaran and Buddhism.. they’re all right if everyone is invited and valid.. ?

Is maybe autism … someone who might be sensitive to the perceived energy of others, but it’s like Horton hears a who?

And does it make sense to anyone else? The worlds on the dandelion seeds? And who’s right anyway? Is it about saying its okay to just be okay with learning to live? If light is associated with. life… death, every waking morning, meditation.. and water is at birth and death and is connected and so is the air and the earth and ….. maybe its phasing through all of them like a video game and it’s all one big simulation. you have to learn to move the way the elements do to get it and it seems like each religion is focused on the best way to get to utopia and we’re all fighting instead of like being like hey, youre valid and i am too and if we put it all together its like that silly cartoon with all our elements combined. Maybe fire is hell? But the devil was you all along. And you were looking for something bigger to blame but it was so much more simple. Complex. But it’s breathing, its such an instant reflex. But it all lines up like a string that isn’t linear but could be based on perspective. But its all relative anyways isn’t it? Maybe string theory is simply attachment style and tying the knot and cutting other ties and then tying it all together into the bigger picture which is to hold on to yourself. You can sew yourself back up and its all anyone needs?
And maybe the autistic spectrum isn’t a disorder and its a group of people who feel all the energies and can’t quite make sense of it and are so smart that they design their own pattern based off of what they see and they hold the key out. A disorder feels like something is wrong with me.. but I feel like I feel it all, and it makes me feel better to know that there’s something that is familiar but typical isn’t natural. and I feel things that I can’t explain and I feel like that’s all it is is a lot of energy to feel. And not understand. Because it’s all relative, and ct universe is such a big thing to feel when you feel that.. thing. I feel the light balls of energy of the ones I love who have “left” but.. energy isn’t destroyed.
It’s complex. And as simple as a string and your place on it and then vibrating it makes the whole thing come to life. And no one’s wrong. And everything holds energy so its what gives the earth its whole importance and gave it its gravity. Because it all holds weight. And we can all adjust to a new perspective. We could find a new rock but its the same thing. Same lessons. Same patterns. But we’re all valid and we should just have fun while we’re here instead of yelling so loudly. It all matters. And none of it?

Or maybe I’m bipolar and suuuper manic right now. But it feels like the only thing that has ever made calm. Because it means that all we need is validation. So just go out and validate others and yourself, because you’re both just light balls on a rock and youre both right and if I’m wrong then I’ll be happier anyway.

Anyone want to share your perspective and see what we might be able to up with? To relate to? It all seems like a funny pun that is so obvious that its like is this it? Is this the whole thing? Hahaha it all seems like a joke now. Is this physics? Just a really big joke and sometimes its not funny (learn to find the humor? And appreciate the sad, and all of the pieces and points of views?) but somehow we got stuck on key words or bits along the way. But no one’s wrong and everyone’s right.. and we’re arguing over the punchline or something or just testing the elements. I would be okay with the crazy but I have a daughter now and she… is magical. Her energy is so bright and i already see her dimming it. Its what life does. Sends one of those, and calls it an angel or a sign or the answer or the reason. But now i care more. And i dont want her to think I’m crazy for seeing her as magical for simply seeing how quickly she dimmed her light, and I had something to do with that too. I didn’t mean to. Which is i thiiiiiink what the whole healing generational trauma thing is? Your parents (well. I can only speak for mine. They did the best they could and they did better. But we are all human and make mistakes and just need a safe place to land and gravity to hold us together sometimes because we’ll fall apart if we think about it too much. )

And theres got to be some sort of significance with the stars. The constellations.. Roe v wade and the female divine energy feeling stronger. The pandemic… i think something’s coming. Another wake up call?

So, thoughts? Time for some grippy socks or – a nice deep breath and maybe online college?

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By: Ray Marcelin https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58742 Mon, 05 Sep 2022 06:45:39 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58742 Trying to explain consciousness while avoiding God’s existence won’t ever give a satisfactory explanation, if we consider our brains as an “input/output interface” between inmaterial and material world it will solve a lot of question ( but not all of course) it’s my humble opinion.

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By: K https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58731 Sun, 04 Sep 2022 18:18:10 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58731 In reply to Chris Crawford.

I like how, in an attempt to appear intellectually humble and to distance themselves from any hint of arrogance or anthropocentrism, people will scornfully shoot down any suggestion that there may be some concepts pertaining to human experience (e.g. consciousness) that elude our grasp as signs of “human vanity”.

It’s interesting because it relies on the assumption that we have already attained such a vast and profound understanding of the universe that anything outside this framework is merely a vainglorious search for a “magical component”. The assumption we can dismiss as nonsense anything that doesn’t fit the corpus of knowledge that we’ve amassed in a few centuries of scientific thinking and research is, ironically enough, a symptom of “human vanity”.

The irony is double when you term this “human vanity” because consciousness isn’t restricted to humans. Animals have consciousness; recent studies suggest that even plants have some degree of consciousness. Physicist Freeman Dyson once speculated that atoms may have some degree of consciousness, however low. To say that our acknowledgement that there may be some things that we have yet to figure out and maybe even won’t figure out with the scientific method in its current form is “human vanity” is irony and misconstruction at its finest.

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By: Colly https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58577 Mon, 29 Aug 2022 08:44:44 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58577 In reply to Reddit u/Obserwhere.

Consciousness is the only thing you can be sure of. Everything else is potentially an illusion.

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By: Vic Shephard https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58535 Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:03:50 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58535 In reply to Delubio de Paula.

Defining consciousness will make you the greatest genius that ever lived. I admit to being amused by the attempt.

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By: Ronald Robertson https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58486 Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:45:11 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58486 In reply to Ravi.

“because the pattern is not the feeling itself, just a representation of it.”
It is so simple. It to me is a memory of the feeling which includes all of our body, its neural feedback, the hormones excreted during this experience added to memories of similar experiences, and the sensations elicited in various organ systems throughout the body. We are not separate from our “meat bodies” lol, (please don’t think of Scientology, or any media entertainment fiction here). Yes this could theoretically be translated in that memory of that experience as a pattern perhaps as that seems to be how our brains work, but it would of course still involve numerous neurotransmitters, hormones, chemicals, organ systems, etc. And so this would all have to be reproduced in another “hardware”/human body/replicator that could be connected to another human for someone else to experience it.

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By: John Boggess https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58473 Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:36:12 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58473 Still, it moves…

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By: Andrew Wray https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58453 Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:46:23 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58453 In reply to Larry Cain.

Jesus!!! [exclamation] what a stupid comment

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By: Mr Noseybonk https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58410 Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:36:57 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58410 It is sort of refreshing to see some backlash against the sheer anti-vitalism of neuroscience. Then alongs come Grant Castillou and all hope drains away again.

Looks like were *are* screwed humanity.

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By: chatillon https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58395 Sat, 20 Aug 2022 15:46:49 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58395 Consciousness is not a phenomenon that comes from physics (as it is conceived but how to conceive it otherwise?)
Consciousness is a metaphysical substance. It is the mystery of what is being as opposed to what is thing.
But physics can only study things. To claim to formulate a physics of consciousness or of being is to reduce consciousness to a thing responding to the laws that apply to things.
Let’s take an example though from a very different area. We say nothing can go faster than light. This is undoubtedly true in the observable physical world, that of energy matter and its space-time.
But there are undoubtedly other realities than those of the observable physical world of other equally real spaces located on planes of objectification inaccessible to our senses, to any current means of observation, and even to any other theoretical conceptualization. “intuitive” and where the laws of materialistic physics are obsolete.
We have a tiny glimpse of it in quantum physics. Entanglement for example.
It has proven though condescendingly relegated to the realm of belief and myth that great mystics were seen in two places simultaneously. phenomenon called bilocation.
Other equally strange phenomena (ghosts, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.) and deemed impossible have been identified and duly documented in the most serious manner.
However, physics for the most part and officially is not interested in this and rightly announces that it is not its responsibility. (There are however some dissidents called charlatans by the others)
Well I say that consciousness is also not his responsibility unless he invents a “spiritual physics” which is almost an oxymoron, probably impossible at our current human level.

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By: David Bussey https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58375 Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:54:26 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58375 In reply to Delana Taylor.

Miracles. An awful lot of people seem to love the idea of miracles. But miracles need causes and and if their causes are invisible, miracle lovers need something non-physical to account for them. They need a dualistic outlook. Blame Descartes. He’s the goat (in the Peanuts comic strip sense) who put the wrench in the works.

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By: Reddit u/Obserwhere https://neurosciencenews.com/physics-consciousness-21222/#comment-58360 Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:29:39 +0000 https://neurosciencenews.com/?p=85398#comment-58360 There is no consciousness as such, so people are looking for something that doesn’t really exist.

It’s like how there’s no light of a lamp as such.

What is the light of a lamp? It is an emergent phenomenon of the merging of the lamp, the wiring, with a source of electricity.

Note how there’s no light in any of the merged elements, yet when they merge, light emerges.You can look for the light in the elements (lamp, wiring, electricity) all your life and you will never find any.

So the same goes for consciousness. Where does consciousness come from?

It starts with the merging of a sense organ & its object, called contact; when there is contact, there emerges sensation – something is sensed. (Note that this is as close to reality as we can get; from here, everything is interpretation.)

When there is sensation, there emerges perception; When there is perception, there emerges mental fabrication; and finally when there is mental fabrication, there emerged consciousness.

Next sensation – – – next consciousness.

So like with the light example: you can look all your life for consciousness in the body with its organs, in its senses, in the contact- perception – mental fabrication — yet you will never find it.

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So what is the name of the Law of Nature which explains this phenomenon, that whatever we look at we find that it is an emergent phenomenon of the merging of *something else*, and every *something else* is of the same (empty) nature?

It is called Idappaccayata in the language if Buddha Dhamma – Pali.

It is illustrated by the following popular formulation:

This arising – that arises;
Rhis ceasing – that ceases;
When this is present – that is present;
When this is absent – that is absent.

And it applies to absolutely e v e ry t h i n g in the universe, universe included.

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